Michael Brown shooting witness Michael Brady interviewed by CNN’s Anderson Cooper – 8/20/14

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  • Sentient

    Brady seems credible to me. Brown being doubled over would explain how two shots entered his head in a downward trajectory. Brady saying Brown wasn’t charging the officer also correlates to their being no evidence on Brown’s body (like scrapes) of his having been felled while running. The fact that Brown robbed the store, was high on weed and possibly even attacked Wilson doesn’t mean that Wilson had the right to shoot him from 20-35 feet away if Brown was, in fact, not charging Wilson. Looks like Wilson will be going to prison.

    • concerned citizen

      He says he didn’t see the critical part of the shooting where Brown stopped running and turned around. He does say it didn’t look like Brown was giving up and didn’t have his hands up. Looks like all this account does is destroy the idea that Brown was”executed”.

    • Mean Gene

      He also said he took couple more steps toward the officer just like the guy in the video said that CNN won’t show!! Would ruin their coverage of this story and wouldn’t cause the people to riot. Wish they were still looking for MH370!!!

  • Jack R.

    Brady said after he went bent down, “he took one or two steps towards the officer.” Why would he move towards a guy shooting at him?

    • trebor86

      Weakness? Off balance? Momentum from already charging?

    • Tory Quinton

      That is a basic fight or flight response. And it doesn’t matter who was the aggressor, the reaction would be the same.

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  • Mean Gene

    Anderson Cooper you have been hood winked!!! I thought you were a seasoned veteran journalist news reporter. So we are to believe that he heard a loud disturbance outside his window so he goes to his bedroom window. Doesn’t here the gun shot because his window was closed. He sees Mike running hears a couple of gun shots. Why didn’t he get his phone and video the rest of the altercation from his bedroom? So he runs outside only takes a couple of seconds. So he’s in the bedroom right next to the front door? Down the hall in the apartment? So he gets outside she’s Michael bent over but still takes couple steps towards the officer. That’s what he said. Said he didn’t see his hands up? Wanted to get on national television? Why don’t you run the video of the two guys in the back round saying that Michael was running at the officer, officer shot him but he just kept coming so officer shots him again and he collapses. And Spike Lee!!! What does he know? Wasn’t there, he going to give out Mr. Wilson’s address like he did George Zimmerman’s? We all know what the outcome of that was. Check you sources before you put them on television. Outstanding reporting CNN!!!!

    • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

      Wow. None of the people commenting here — not a single one, not me, not any of the others — knows what happened. Nobody is an a position to judge the veracity of the witnesses or, if we actually had the incident report, of the officer. And yet everybody weighs in, with certainty, proving nothing more than their own preconceptions.

      A complete autopsy should shed a lot of light on this. Was there gunpowder residue on Brown’s clothing? That would indicate that he was close to the officer. Was Brown’s DNA on the gun? That would indicate that he actually went for the gun. What was the trajectory of the bullets? That could indicate whether Brown’s hands were up or not.

      The big question now is this: Where’s the police report? What could possibly delay its release?

      If you want to judge the witnesses, one thing to look for is consistency between the statements of people not associated with one another or, even better, contemporaneous statements, like the “live tweet” of the incident. But bear in mind that eyewitnesses are notoriously bad at some things. (This is why you look for consistency.) Pretend you’re on the jury; wait for all the evidence, and then consider the evidence impartially.

      Nobody really wants to do that, though. According to most posters, either all blacks are thugs or all cops are evil. But neither is true. That’s why we wait for the entire story to come out.

      • Tory Quinton

        So far the only consistent eyewitness reports were the two women who were paraded out initially. and they knew each other, worked together and actually were together talking about what they saw before telling anyone else. Further their claims do not fully hold up to other independent witnesses. Every day it looks more and more like a large black man, robbed a store, then assaulted an officer and was justifiable shot. But of course we were not there so the fact that people want to harm the officer based on assumptions is the sign of how diseased the black community has become. If you want to solver the problem of racism, start in black communities.

        • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

          You demonstrate the problem with your statement “But of course we were not there so the fact that people want to harm the officer…” You are saying that because we were not there and don’t know the facts, we must accept only those theories that support the officer. Darren Wilson is innocent until proven guilty, but Michael Brown is guilty until proven innocent.

          I don’t think that’s how justice is supposed to work.

          As for your comment blaming racism on the victims… well, that’s just absurd, but the mere fact that you make that claim is a reflection of your internal bias as well as the fact that nothing anybody can say will sway you. There really is no reason why race should be a factor here. We have an incident where an unarmed man was shot dead. The facts will either show that the shooting was justified or that it was not. Period.

          You know, when the crowd rioted at a Doors concert I attended back in ’69 and stormed the stage and started to loot the instruments, nobody said “yeah, that’s just a sign of how diseased the white community has become.” Funny how that works.

          • Tory Quinton

            1: We were not there so of course we don’t know the facts, because so far the facts have not been released, only a lot of stories, many of them contradictory.

            ” we must accept only those theories that support the officer.”

            That is you projecting. I initially though the officer was probably guilty. Then the stories started to conflict, and the officers story started to seem more plausible. Especially after the child turned out to be a rather large man who robbed a store only moments before. Narratives are dangerous, especially when the narrative is used to deceive.

            ” Darren Wilson is innocent until proven guilty, but Michael Brown is guilty until proven innocent.”

            1: All evidence strongly suggests Brown engaged in a crime when he robbed that store and resorted to violence which was caught on video. While technically a separate incident, it does discredit the narrative of his being an innocent child.

            2: Both parties are innocent until proven guilty.

            “As for your comment blaming racism on the victims… well, that’s just absurd”

            Hardly, the fact is time and time again when something likes this happens it is urban blacks who resort to violent protests. Now to be fair the majority don’t engage in such violence, and there is at least something to their complaints and there is a real history to contend with, the truth is the majority of the black community simply don’t do enough to combat the negative actions within their own community.

            “There really is no reason why race should be a factor here.”

            And it wasn’t, until the black community, urged on by social agitators, made it a race issue. In fact it was a couple of days before anyone knew for sure what race the cop was and we only knew the race of Brown because his family said he was a little black boy, which was hardly true.

            “We have an incident where an unarmed man was shot dead. The facts will either show that the shooting was justified or that it was not. Period.”

            And that is exactly what I said, and yet you seem to disagree when I say it. Is it because you presume I am a white man? Perhaps there is a lingering race issue with you. After all I am talking about the urban black community, not the racial component of being black. I said much of the same thing about the occupy protesters who were mostly white.

            “You know, when the crowd rioted at a Doors concert I attended back in ’69 and stormed the stage and started to loot the instruments, nobody said “yeah, that’s just a sign of how diseased the white community has become.””

            Actually people said that by the tens of thousands. In large part it was incidents like that which led to a revival of traditional Christian values and the rise of the so called Evangelical movement. I don’t agree with that, but don’t claim no one complained about it.

            People also said the same thing about the WHITE, bikers killed a black man at the Altamont concert. They criticized the counter culture (which was mostly white), the biker culture (which was mostly white) and the Rock culture (which was mostly white). Just as I am here criticizing the black community, or if you prefer the black culture, which is not the same as the black race. And lets not forget how whites and blacks agree on the radical Islamic culture, which is neither white or black.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Sorry, dude, but there is no evidence that Michael Brown resorted to violence when confronted by the police officer. We have partial evidence from one incomplete autopsy that Brown had no bruising on his hands, which might suggest that he did not violently engage the officer, but it’s not conclusive. Knuckles don’t always bruise, so it merely suggests that he didn’t punch the officer but it doesn’t prove it.

            And no, “tens of thousands” of people didn’t say what you claim they said. I lived through those days. We live in a society in which it is perfectly acceptable for some to encourage certain kinds of violence. Remember “Second Amendment remedies?” And you may recall all the destruction of congressional field offices during the ACA votes, as well as the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords. All acts of violence encouraged and incited by a particular segment of society, yet somehow not taken as a reflection of the tendency of people with smaller concentrations of melanin in their skin.

            What you appear to be saying is that conservatives are intolerant of anything outside of their doctrine (hippies, bikers, people who like rock), and I would tend to agree.

          • Tory Quinton

            1: He is on video resorting to violence only moments before.

            2: The police officer says he was attacked.

            3: The eyewitnesses disagree, but half of them claim he could have been attacking the police officer.

            4: There are now three autopsy reports, and the first two conflicted. The families autopsy report was consistent with either story.

            5: “And no, “tens of thousands” of people didn’t say what you claim they said. ” Yes, they did.

            6: The fact that you are trying to link this to Gabby Giffords, or your pathetic rejected desire for gun control really shows how little you have to contribute. This is not a gun rights issues, nor a second amendment issue. I get the feeling you are probably just an aging hippie who has outlived his purpose. Your ” I was there” mantra was old by the 1970’s, it is only older today. and oh yeah, You presume I am of a certain age not to have been there. That is ageism, making you an age bigot.

            7: “What you appear to be saying is that conservatives are intolerant of anything outside of their doctrine (hippies, bikers, people who like rock), and I would tend to agree.”

            You are a wasted, sad example of a man that you need to attempt to actually lie when what I wrote is in black and white. Seriously, go back to Woodstock where you belong.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            “You are a wasted, sad example of a man that you need to attempt to actually lie when what I wrote is in black and white. Seriously, go back to Woodstock where you belong.”

            Well, I guess you showed me! I’ll tell you what, Tory: You have won the Internet. Have a nice day!

          • Tory Quinton

            I love how you just side step the fact that you are clearly a bigot, and actually lied about what I said in an attempt to self justify your remarks. Thank God you are gone, one less race baiting bigot.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Oh, you are a funny funny guy. May I make a suggestion? Please look up the word “bigot” and look into the phrase “race baiting.” And you might also want to check into the science of genetics, because — as it turns out — there is no such thing as “race.” We are all Homo Sapiens, and we have differing physical characteristics, like the amount of melanin (the chemical responsible for skin pigmentation, in case you were wondering) and hair color and eye color. People with varying skin coloration are no more genetically different than people with varying eye or hair coloration.

            No, I haven’t lied about anything you’ve said. No, I didn’t link this to Gabby Giffords. I suspect you have trouble comprehending the written word; you appear to decide what something means rather than actually understanding it. I can’t help you with that. As for being a bigot, some of my best friends are European, as was my mother (Italian) and my father (German) and as is my wife (Scottish/German) and, of course, my daughter. And I certainly haven’t baited people of African lineage. But I do understand that some people — and this may include you, but I can’t say with certainty because I don’t know you — like to toss around words like “bigot” and “racist” without a clear understanding of what those words mean. That’s unfortunate. And your sudden turn to name calling is similarly unfortunate, but that’s the way the Internet works. Been there, done that, alas.

            All I wanted to do was to establish what was known (not much) and what was conjecture, but you insisted on bringing up conjecture that favored one story to attempt to discredit the conjecture that favored the other story. That sheds no light on anything, doesn’t bring clarity to the discussion. And I won’t be able to get you to understand that. But it’s really unnecessary for you to adopt the tone you did. I hope you’re nicer to people you encounter face to face.

          • thomas rock

            has anyone sen the video of the man named powell who was shot Tuesday afternoon in st. Louis. that was a recorded execution, as seen on Rachel maddow show

          • Tory Quinton

            You are bigot and a race batter and yes you have lied about what I actually said. The fact is a large black man robbed a store. That is on video. The narrative from the black community was that he was a young black boy. Those were not my words but the words of the black community. The words of the agitators and protesters and rioters. They made it about race and so did you when you continue to follow the narrative that was created to make a very large black man seem like an innocent little victimized black boy. You are a race batter and a bigot because of that. If you want to now venture off into abstract race theory then take it up with the black community or the people like yourself who immediately see the color black as victimized. Do t waste my time. Washed up hippie wannabes are at the best of times a nuisance.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            There you go again! I’m wondering, though, exactly what a “race batter” is? I am not familiar with that expression. Nor am I familiar with any definition of “bigot” that would fit anything I have said.

            I’m not sure you’re familiar with the principles of logic, since you lurch from topic to topic and tend to conflate one statement with another. Perhaps your medication has worn off? In any event, you show no understanding of anything I’ve said or, for that matter, of the world around you, and you appear to be incredibly close-minded. (You might want to consult your thesaurus for words that have the same meaning as “close-minded,” by the way. You keep using one of them.)

            More hints: “washed-up hippie wannabe” is, really, a nonsensical phrase. Did you intend to insult me with that phrase? If so, I think you’re going to need more practice. Inanity is not, to me, insulting; it’s merely funny. Also, you want to describe Micheal Brown, who was eighteen years old. as a man, and you seem to dispute the characterization of him as a teenager. (I didn’t get into any of those subjects before.) Please, again, consult your dictionary. The term “teenager” refers to anyone between the ages of thirteen and nineteen. You see, it’s the last part of those words — “teen” — that gives rise to the term “teenager.”

            And, one more time, I haven’t offered any narrative. I have merely tried to separate the facts of the case — and very few are known — from the conjecture. You say Brown assaulted the police officer. This is conjecture. Please look up that term, because it does not mean what you think it means. Here’s an example of one of the few known facts in this case: Michael Brown was shot, multiple times, by Darren Wilson. Fact. Why he did it, and whether or not that shooting was justified? Conjecture.

            But I suppose I’m a “race batter” for knowing the difference between a fact and a guess. That doesn’t make much sense in the real world, Tory. Words have meaning.

          • Tory Quinton

            Let’s make this simple. You are a bigot and a liar and a race baiter. Since you have the atypical pathological need to draw attention and continue responding long after your welcome has worn out I will go ahead and give you my responses to all of your future statememts… bigot… race baiter and liar…. now each time you respond I will simply cut and paste. Or you can’t follow through and move on.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Tory: Look up the meaning of the word “bigot” and stop proving your low mental capacity to the world. I’m glad you finally figured out the difference between “race batter” and “race baiter,” but you are still proving yourself incapable of intelligent conversation. So sad.

            Regarding my welcome having been worn out, I am surprised to learn that you are in charge. I guess standards have really dropped around here, right?

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Aw… Poor wittle Tory! You really should not use words if you don’t understand what they mean. But feel free to post that response again; by now, we all know that you lack the mental capacity to do anything else.

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            You are just adorable! Look at you, all grown up and cutting and pasting! But don’t stomp your little feet too hard or Mommy might lock you in your room again, and you’ll just have those bad dreams of Scary Big Black Men again.

            So… hit Control-V again; I’ve got time. Remember, I’m a washed up over-the-hill hippie wannabe! Hurry up, though! Those giant scary black men are coming to get you!

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… liar… race baiter…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Ignorant… illiterate… child.

            Take your thumb out of your mouth long enough to post your reply.

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Ignorant… illiterate… child.

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Ignorant… illiterate… child.

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Let’s recap. Reports indicate that Michael Brown is an 18-year-old who appears to have shoved a smaller man. You decide that the Constitution, which guarantees us Due Process (fifth and fourteenth amendments) is irrelevant because you have decided that Michael Brown, a “large black man,” is a dangerous thug who must be executed.

            You then prove your inability to comprehend the written word by deciding that my mention of Gabby Giffords, whose attempted assassination was the result of conservatives urging their listeners to resort to violence, was somehow an invocation of a second amendment argument. And you further prove your inability to comprehend the written word when you take my analogy of the riot of white people at a Doors concert — mention of which was intended to dissuade you from your silly belief that only black people riot — and decide that it’s irrelevant.

            So, I suppose you are nothing more than a…

            Bigot… race baiter… liar…

          • Tory Quinton

            Thing you claim I said is actually what I said or how I said it… bigot… race baiter… liar… serioudly. Are you so desperate that you will keep this going?

            Facts… Large black man robbed a store… large black man assaulted another man… same man had altercation with cop… the evidence shows Brown is far from how you portray hom. Until you admit Brown is a large man who robbed and assaulted someone moments before then your arguments are worthless because it the evidence of his behavior. Or you can just go away bigot… liar… race baiter… but like I said several times before, you need this at a pathological level.go ahead and prove me wrong by not responding.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            So don’t respond if you don’t want to “keep this going.” It is you, race baiter and bigot, who insists on characterizing Michael Brown according to his size and ethnicity. Usually, we refer to 18-year-old people as teenagers.

            Again, please refer to the constitution. Everyone — even officer Darren Wilson — is innocent until proven guilty. Thus, Michael brown is ACCUSED of robbing the convenience store. You might say that he APPEARS to rob it in the video, and that may or may not be true, but it’s still an allegation. You don’t seem to understand or appreciate the difference, but that might change if you ever have to face a jury. Then, I suspect, things like this will become very very important to you.

            Until then, race baiter and bigot, it is you who keeps injecting race into this.

          • Tory Quinton

            You really are insane and disturbed. Are even repeating what I say as if playing I know you are but what am I. Thank God people like you proliferate online but hide in the real world. You are bigot because you keep returning his race as 8 matters. The fact is he was black. That is why people are up at arms because he was black. You are a bigot. You are a race baiter because you seriously can’t let this go. And you are a liar because you consistently lie about what I said. You ate a very troubled individual. A bigot and a liar and a race baiter. Further you are bordering 0n stalking now. Let’s make a deal. I won’t bother you and you don’t bother me. Unless you really are insane it’s a good deal.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Your mother did a very poor job in teaching you how to be polite. Your school did a very poor job with regard to your reading comprehension skills and your understanding of the definitions of words. For their failures, I am truly sorry.

          • Tory Quinton

            Apparently you really are insane then. Go ahead, respond to this one… Get it out of your system.

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            Here. Happy? I tried to escape from your absurd rants a while back and even declared you the winner, but you had to have the last word. So… Be my guest. You have Won the Internet; do your happy dance. There is, sadly, no cure for stupid, especially when it’s of the willful variety.

          • Tory Quinton

            bigot… liar… race baiter…

          • http://www.grounder.com PutinOnTheRitz

            (Sigh) Here we go…

            “You are bigot because you refuse to admit that Brown did actually do something wrong, in robbing a store and assaulting a man while placing blame of the white cop”

            This makes no sense. Mike Brown blamed the white cop? Mike Brown was shot dead. I don’t think he blamed anyone. As for Mike Brown’s innocence or guilt with regard to the convenience store, 2 things: The owner never filed a complaint or called the police, and the video has no audio. So while it may appear that Mike Brown stole a few items, and while we see him shove the store owner (after the store owner grabs his shirt), we do not have the testimony of anyone in the store, nor do we have a confession from Mike Brown. In legal terms, then, you can say that Mike Brown is alleged to have committed a crime, or that it appears that he committed a crime, but you cannot make the flat assertion that he committed a crime. It is merely an opinion, regardless of the likelihood of it being true or false.

            “You are a race baiter because you feel the need to make this about race”

            Well, no. I think you’re referring to yourself here. I keep trying to get you to take race OUT of the equation, but you insist on using it. Feel free to quote those posts wherein I make this about race.

            Re: VW bus — What is this obsession of yours with VW busses? It’s just weird.

            “You are a liar because, well you lied about what other people say.”

            And, of course, I haven’t. There is the problem of your problems comprehending the written word, and this may have given you the impetus to make such a suggestion, but you can’t actually provide any examples of this, so we’ll just ignore it.

            “People also said the same thing about the WHITE, bikers killed a black man at the Altamont concert. They criticized the counter culture (which was mostly white), the biker culture (which was mostly white) and the Rock culture (which was mostly white).”

            I said: “What you appear to be saying is that conservatives are intolerant of anything outside of their doctrine (hippies, bikers, people who like rock), and I would tend to agree.”

            You, quoting that sentence, said “Lets make this all very simple… Did I ever say anything close to what you accused me of saying?”

            You said this: “People also said the same thing about the WHITE, bikers killed a black man at the Altamont concert. They criticized the counter culture (which was mostly white), the biker culture (which was mostly white) and the Rock culture (which was mostly white).”

            Or, in other words, those people you are talking about (conservatives; you reference “Evangelical Christians” in the previous paragraph) are intolerant of hippies, bikers, and people who like rock. And I said “What you appear to be saying…” Big difference between saying that someone appears to be saying something and saying that someone IS saying something. You’ll have to trust me on this; words are my profession. I do not own a VW bus, by the way.

            Have a nice day.

          • Tory Quinton

            Bigot… liar… race baiter…

          • Tory Quinton

            By the way bigot, I call him a dangerous thug because he robbed a store and assaulted someone. But let’s not 5 he facts get in the way if your bigotry, you deception or your race baiting.

    • melchior42

      Now that we the audio, if the audio is legit, there is roughly a two second pause between the two volleys of gunfire.So Brady must be inhumanely fast if can observe the first round of fire from his bedroom window and then make it outside before the second round even begins!

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